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    The effect of weight loss on various health conditions?

    Hey, folks.

    I have a question about how much effect weight loss has on various health conditions.

    I am currently treated with medication for high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and high triglycerides. I have been treatment suggested for low testosterone, and I have been warning about a pending threat of treatment for pre-diabetes/diabetes (high A1C, sugar, etc.) I am also about 40-50kg (roughly 80-100 lbs) overweight. I always throw in "but I've lost 10kg so far this year!" like that makes it better, but it really doesn't.

    My doctor has been telling me "lose weight, lose weight, lose weight. Eat better, exercise, lose, lose, lose" so I know there's a link here (I mean, I've known there's a link here before these warnings and treatments too, but, ya know...) My question is how much impact does weight loss have on these conditions?

    I get that regular exercise can improve cholesterol, diet can improve triglycerides, glucose, a1c, etc. But what about blood pressure? And what about testosterone?

    Is there a possibility that I can stop taking maintenance meds in the future? Could I get back into martial arts, without needing to sign a liability waiver (systolic over 150)? Will I finally grow a half decent beard?

    Like I said, I know there's a connection, I'm just curious if there's anyway to quantify what that connection is. Thanks!

    #2
    Why didn't you ask your doctor those questions?
    I know that regular exercise and having a healthy bmi will have several positive impacts on nearly all fronts regarding body functions (that beard will probably stay a problem), but I don't know how far your conditions already are to say they will completely vanish. Just that they should at least get lighter, but Noen can you hopefully tell you more about it.

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      #3
      aBadBuddhist ... being over-weight is one factor in getting high blood pressure, low testosterone, and diabetes.Eating poorly, and too much, can lead to high cholesterol (LDL) and high triglycerides as well as diabetes.
      If you are still 'eating' any sugar (sugar, honey, hi-fructose corn syrup, etc.) ... you should know better.
      You are killing yourself.
      Does "sweet tea" come as far north as PA? Give it up. Yesterday.
      That said, there are other factors involved. You still need to take the No Sugar Challenge. If you can't finish that, start pricing the extra meds you will be needing. Daily.
      How are you with needles? Daily shots are in your future.
      Consider the ELF diet (Eat Less Food). And learn about salad - adding nuts, and/or cheese, and/or olives, and/or fruit slices, adds considerable flavor to them.
      And best of luck. It is possible. Honest. But you need to start soonest.

      And yes, Noen is an excellent source of information on such things.

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        #4
        Hello @aBadBuddhist Friend‚Äč You have gotten yourself in one tight situation...The weight gain is probably a direct result of your impending insulin resistance ...Which is accumulation of Visceral Fat (bad fat around your organs )...I can give you some advice from my experience with helping some of my family off medications and similar conditions.... I have been studying nutrient for quite some time now at least 2 years and have been educating myself on Hormones the last half year.. That said I recommend to you this Broccoli Sprouts (I'm not crazy hear me out) Cruciferous vegetables should be your friend from now on WHY? They contain a compound called sulforaphane and its quite a work horse when dealing with health in general. Has been shown to lower LDL, lower blood pressure, lower cardio risk factor across the boards.....Best of all it has profound effects on lowing total inflammation in the body.. By activating the Nfr2 genetic pathway to our DNA ...I could literally type forever about it point is. YOU NEED TO READ UP on it. Go to youtube and find DR.Rhonda Patrick's channel its called FoundMyFittness ....I mean this stuff is WHat EVERYONE needs.......Calm down OK little excited there.....Now about your LOW-T ...Thats definitely a major problem that if balanced will help you all around. Low T is not always but majority now days due to lifestyle, diet and excessive estrogen thats everywhere.......Also, Get your Vitamin D (which is not a Vitamin but a steriod hormone which is used in expessing over 1,000 genes in our DNA) 15 mins a day of Sun light should do the trick also get your levels test some people need to supplement and not with milk...

        Now cholesterol and sugar are very important nutrient complexes for hormones in general cholesterol is a precursor to most hormones for example Testosterone. So basically you need to give your body the right tool to get the job done via your diet These are some good Test-boosting foods .....Beef Collagen,,Eggs,,Avocados,,white button mushrooms,,,Broccoli sprouts(due to sulforaphane) ,,,Brazil Nuts,,,,Macadamia Nuts,,,Olive Oil.. Raw cacao ...Onions ,,Garlic,,, Lean meats Beef and chicken ,,,,yogurt( real yogurt unsweeted unflavored for gut bacteria) ....Sauerkraut....Blue cheese .......Coffee( before workouts for cyclic amp boost test during exercise) Caution dont drink so much you get jittery thats your cortisol spiking not the effect you want so just find the sweet spot mine is 2-3 cups BLACK no cream or SUGar.. Parsley ..Good Salt not table salt........Ginger (which is also good for blood sugar) ,,,,, also Potatoes all the kinds sweet unsweetened orange purple white brown golden all that Grass Fed Butter (gut health which help endocrine health) ,,,,Beef gelatin... Coconut oil....Pomegranates ,,,,Dark berries (cherries, blueberries, acai, goji, blackberries),,, ..... Try to avoid SOY!!! since you are trying to increase Testosterone. No grains they compete with to many nutrients you may need thus any benefits of them are void( not saying they are all bad ) legumes also. Avoid antibiotics like the plague you want natural pre and pro biotics...most nuts are estrogenic ( meaning promotes estrogen production and prolactin in males not good )


        Basically the summary is eat healthy FATs monounsaturated fats, saturated fats, bio available dietary cholesterol...Eat full health complex carbs hormones like it ... NO refined carbs or sugars Fresh Fruits for diabetes (since most sugar in Fruit is fructose and it causes less Insulin response due to it is broken down in the liver before passing the pancreas) also cinnamon is great for long term blood sugar control when supplemented with quality cinnamon ( not store spice cinnamon) ....Also may want to look into some Propolis supplementation its very healthy and helps the body recovery to a natural state of using its own mechanics check it out here https://www.911honey.com/category-s/1814.htm ... Last but not least maybe suplement choline it cant really hurt only help your liver and also helps remove excess estrogen https://www.buyfoodresearch.com/coll...iant=863337315 these are good vitamins quality real food source not synthetic ......Really to grasp the complex nature of these subject you need to self educate your health is important and advice from other people and Docs only go so far....I could recommend more things but its best you make changes slow and steady as to not over burden yourself and breed negative feed back habits.....and as @DaithiMeyer said just eat less and when you do eat quality no junk food ...

        Anyways BEE WELL any question feel free to ask ill help if I can.

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          #5
          Apart from the low testosterone everything you mentioned has very very good chances of going away completely with a healthy weight.
          I would quote studies but there are just too many.
          The order of priorities for your health is: 1. Don't smoke. 2. Have a healthy body fat percentage (for men below 15%), while not going below BMI 18.5 3. Work out both cardio and strength 4. Eat plenty of vegetables and other healthy things
          So eating vegetables is kind of pointless if you're still obese, excess weight is magnitudes worse for you than instant food.
          As for the low testosterone: If your problem is that your body actually wants more but can't produce that much, losing weight would mean your body has less mass to produce hormones for, this would raise your overall levels. But it might be that your body could produce more but doesn't want to, in that case losing weight wouldn't really help. But any issue that low testosterone produces is made worse by excess weight.

          It doesn't matter much what you eat. Apart from getting enough protein and micronutrients what counts most is the number of calories. Above something was mentioned about foods for or against testosterone, but personally I would focus on weight first.
          You can always start optimising your food for testosterone when you have the diet down.

          It is also important to not aim "too low" with weight loss. You might think that "slightly overweight" would already be pretty good, but that's still not good for your health. You need to get below BMI 25, and best would be getting to around 23 or lower, depending on how much fat you have at that point. For men it's actually very very easy to tell whether they're bwlow 15% body fat: as long as there's a belly they're still too high. Don't worry about excess skin: Once the fat underneath is gone the skin will cling to your muscles, because pure skin is paper thin.

          Now how to lose?
          You may already know it, since you lost 10 kg already, but if you send me a private message with your height and current weight I can give you both personalised numbers and a sense of when you will be done, which is something I always find important.

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            #6
            Mega response thread incoming! Artemi it's your turn first.

            Originally posted by Artemi View Post
            Why didn't you ask your doctor those questions?


            My doctor isn't the most... "people person" of doctors, and frankly, I'm currently in the process of finding a new one. I did ask her these questions, and she basically said that the end results shouldn't be as important as the fact that there will be results. Which wasn't exactly encouraging.



            Originally posted by Artemi View Post
            I know that regular exercise and having a healthy bmi will have several positive impacts on nearly all fronts regarding body functions (that beard will probably stay a problem)
            Honestly, I'm just trying to be funny with the beard thing. I mean, I'm here facing these life threatening issues, and I'm pretending I'm more concerned with facial hair. I mean, I want the T leveled out for health reasons, but the beard thing is just me trying to be lighthearted lol.




            DaithiMeyer, you're up!

            Originally posted by DaithiMeyer View Post
            If you are still 'eating' any sugar (sugar, honey, hi-fructose corn syrup, etc.) ... you should know better.


            To be honest, I am 3 months into this journey, and frankly, sugar isn't even something I track. I do track carbs, and I have reduced those from about 70% of my diet to about 30% of my diet, as I know carbs turn to sugars (or something), but sugar itself, I haven't considered.

            Originally posted by DaithiMeyer View Post
            Does "sweet tea" come as far north as PA? Give it up. Yesterday.


            Sweet tea, soda, etc. is not and never has been a problem for me. Never acquired a taste for any of that stuff as a kid, and still haven't as an adult. I currently, and always have, drink at least 100 ounces of water a day, and about 4 ounces of milk whenever taking meds.

            Originally posted by DaithiMeyer View Post
            That said, there are other factors involved. You still need to take the No Sugar Challenge.


            The idea of "no sugar" sounds near impossible, however, this challenge only states "no chocolate, no cookies, no soft drinks." This doesn't even sound like a struggle-- I don't eat any of those things on a regular basis, and the idea of not eating them for 30 days doesn't seem difficult at all. Which kind of makes me question why my sugar and A1C is so high? It could possibly just be a fluke reading ... when I was tested, we were in the middle of a several week "fast food for dinner" binge -- every day, after work, I was driving my wife 90 miles to Pittsburgh for radiation therapy, and frankly, we weren't getting home until 9pm every night, so we opted for fast food far more often than we should. That said, on a normal month, we probably have fast food two or three times a month (still too high, but not as high as daily.)

            Originally posted by DaithiMeyer View Post
            Consider the ELF diet (Eat Less Food).


            Yeah, I'm really thinking this isn't an issue. My TDEE is about 3,000 calories per day, and I'm currently operating at 1,800 per day, a 1,200 per day (8,400 per week) deficit. Honestly, this is kind of making me feel like I need to have my bloodwork done again-- I have lost about 15kg since my last reading, and frankly, a lot of these issues described sound like they may have just been fluke readings based on the extreme level of stress that I was going through during the time of the last reading.





            Hello, NO Face. thank you for the comment. Here we go! WOW, you're giving me SO much information to sift through and try to work out and apply to my own self. Thank you! I'm not going to go through and quote your post like I have before, but it's just chock full of information, but basically, you have practically given me a full menu to work through, and I will make an effort to research all this and get started! Thanks! Luckily, I have kids who don't fight me on veggies and what not, so most of this shouldn't be an issue for me at


            Noen, I PMed you, per your advisement to do so. Thank you.

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              #7
              aBadBuddhist ... sorry if I came off sounding so ... serious. Sugars do tend to be the biggest bug-a-boo for most over-weight Americans - they are in nearly everything. Followed by processed carbs. Those two tend to lead to diabetes, which you don't want. Experience speaking, there. Hypertension (high blood pressure) you can actually recover from.
              There has been mention of the BMI ... the simple form of this is a disaster waiting to trip you up. It claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is 'obese'. (at 70, he just had heart surgery, unrelated) Getting your body fat below ~15% will help, though. A good target. Keeping it that low, or however low you get it, is more important. The yo-yo diet is a killer.
              There are several well-informed folk on this forum. I'm just a local crank with specific interests. And they are people-people.

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                #8
                I agree with you about BMI-- it's a good tool, but it's not the be-all-end-all measurement. BF% is probably a better one for that. But at my current weight, I have no problem agreeing with the BMI scale that says I'm severely obese, because I can look at myself and agree that I am, in fact, severely obese. I see your reference to Arnold, and I have to say... I'm more into mixed martial arts than bodybuilding, so I have looked at those guys before and seen that they're classified as overweight and obese, which is just absurd in some cases.

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                  #9
                  On an unrelated note, it occurred to me that the last time I had bloodwork was a solid 15kg or so ago, and I am probably due for more. So, I did a 12 hour fast, and started my morning with bloodwork-- lipids, hemoglobin, and testosterone. I'm going to see if these 15kg have had any measurable influences on my stats.

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