Funny problem with correct form of punches

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    Funny problem with correct form of punches

    Yah... Like the title says I figured out I have a slightly strange problem with punches. Came to this after I trained at a punching pad a lot and had totally messed up knuckles after it. Every time. But not the base knuckles with which you are supposed to hit but mostly the 'middle knuckles'. The middle joints of the fingers. Especially of the index and middle finger. Even hand wrapping didn't helped because the bandage covers to the base knuckles, not the middle ones...
    So I found the punching guide and checked how I clinch my fist.
    Now the funny thing:
    I did it right. 'Rolling' in my fingers, fold the thumb over the top knuckles. And than the index finger is pointing out far above all other fingers. If you look in the punching guide the picture with the 'straight line' of fist and forearm, the clinched fingers goes from top of the hand in 90° downward. On my fist every finger does so, except the index. This one is more 45°. And I can't clinch it diffrent or do anything else to get the correct form. I'm assuming it's because I lack one thumb join. Or actually I don't lack it, I just can't use the 'MP' joint.
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    So there is a buckle bulge where the tip of the index finger should be which let it stick out.

    So my question:
    Is there any chance to still hit with my base knuckles AND keeping a straight line? Or at least avoid skinning my middle knuckles without buying gloves?

    #2
    If I understand you correctly, you've used the wrong picture.
    Let's take a look here:



    As far as I understand - the problem is that metacarpophalangeal joint of your index finger wont bend to form 90 degree angle, is that right? Can you just curl your index finger into position normally without forming a fist? Seems like you have a flexor tendon problem.
    I'd advise visiting a qualified healthcare professional and refraining from punching hard things for a while.

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      #3
      I can move the index finger just as normal, also bending the joint to 90° without making a fist. Maxbe 89 or something...
      only when I'm making a fist it looks like this:
      Last edited by mixtape; April 21st, 2017, 09:34 AM. Reason: Added a second picture

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        #4
        I'm not sure there's anything wrong there, honestly. You don't really need a perfect 90* angle. The key there is not over tighten your fist so when you punch something first joints naturally retract inside the fist. Another obvious solution would be to angle your wrist slightly to put more emphasis on striking knuckles.
        You may find this video helpful:

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          #5
          So your index finger gets out of position if you pout your thumb in the right position? That's what I'm getting from your photos at least. Do you have the same problem when you rotate your fist (90 or 180°)? If not you could use this different position to practice punches, they are also legitimate, even if not used that much.
          Also I second J3ster's suggestion to ask a doctor about your condition. But please don't bend your wrist to hit with the knuckles, if you do that and hit with more force you run a serious chance to break your wrist, always keep your wrist straight while punching.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Artemi View Post
            So your index finger gets out of position if you pout your thumb in the right position? That's what I'm getting from your photos at least. Do you have the same problem when you rotate your fist (90 or 180°)? If not you could use this different position to practice punches, they are also legitimate, even if not used that much.
            Also I second J3ster's suggestion to ask a doctor about your condition. But please don't bend your wrist to hit with the knuckles, if you do that and hit with more force you run a serious chance to break your wrist, always keep your wrist straight while punching.
            Just to make myself clear - I didn't suggest to "bend" the wrist, but to slightly adjust to compensate for ~2-3 degree deviation.
            The point here is that naturally you will be able to curl your fingers more without the thumb in the way. Looking at a lot of correct fist form pictures now:




            This picture also shows how fist form changes during the punch. (Good article here)

            Based on that I don't even think there is a problem. But again - when in doubt, consult with a professional.

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              #7
              There's nothing wrong with your hand. You are making a fist correctly. The issue is that the punching bag depresses when you hit it. Even if you had fists like in the pictures you'd still skin your finger joints because of that. That's a problem you'll run into hitting any yielding surface.

              If you're doing bag training you'll need gloves that cover your fingers. Also hand wraps unless you want to hurt yourself.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Daegan View Post
                There's nothing wrong with your hand. You are making a fist correctly. The issue is that the punching bag depresses when you hit it. Even if you had fists like in the pictures you'd still skin your finger joints because of that. That's a problem you'll run into hitting any yielding surface.

                If you're doing bag training you'll need gloves that cover your fingers. Also hand wraps unless you want to hurt yourself.
                Totally agree with Daegan. Got the same problem few weeks ago. Boxing twice a week. You must wrap your middle knuckle or use gloves. More the bag or pad is hard more you scratch your knuckles if you use only wraps. Using gloves resolves the problem. Or have a bag or pad more softer.

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                  #9
                  Okay, so my hand isn't weird?
                  That's kinda cool! I was confused by the fact that the index finger is 'popping out' further than the other fingers, so if I want to hit with the base knuckles I'd need to bend my hand. - which btw Jester I did not read in your post, so don't worry I understood it as 'the popping out finger will bend by hitting the pad'. Maybe I can't describe it right in lack of words... Anyway! Thanks for your explanation!
                  So, last question so far:
                  Every hand wrapping tutorial I found so far was about wrapping the hand to the base knuckles. Most times between the fingers too, but not the middle knuckles. So am I getting it right that the only way to avoid skinned middle knuckles are gloves? I hoped I could avoid buying them with using the bandages... :/

                  Also thank to you other guys!

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                    #10
                    Wraps is to avoid injuries on your wrist and fingers. If you want to punch bag a lot the best way is gloves.
                    But think about this : do you hit the pad straight in line ? I mean if you make a movement from up to down when you throw your fist it increase the fact that you use your skin.
                    Other thing : try to move fast from the extension to the first position. Don't let your fist to be in contact with the pad too long.

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